the rachel maddow show, transcript 10/18/10

Host: Good evening.
Thank you for being with us tonight.
Two weeks before the election.
Now, two weeks before the elections, it is finally clear what will happen and why.
It\'s not clear before, because in the past few weeks, especially the media\'s description of what\'s going to happen in this year\'s election has become a Republican campaign advertisement.
In the past few weeks, there has been no daylight from how the ring road Media has explained what is going to happen politically, to what conservative candidates say they want to happen politically in the United States.
In other words, the message is that the ring road media is used to explain what happened in the election, which happens to be exactly the same information that Republicans use in campaign advertising.
This is probably one of the things that is easier to show than to say.
So, here\'s just an example.
This is the rotation dictated by the authority to us.
This is the deficit.
That\'s all about the election, the deficit.
The reason why Republicans will get seats in this election is because people are tired of deficits.
That\'s what the media said.
\"The Republican focus on reducing the federal deficit may resonate with the independent vote, which could shake the midterm elections.
\"You know, conveniently, it\'s the exact same spin in a typical Republican campaign ad this year. (
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CHUCK FLEISCHMANN®Congressional candidate in Tennessee: deficit spending is the number one threat to our country.
It\'s immoral to spend money we don\'t have.
Like me and your family, the federal government has to live within its means.
My solution to the budget crisis is simple: stop spending money. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Look, these two are very consistent, right?
This is a perfect cycle of rotation.
Republicans say we need to reduce the deficit.
Then the media said Republicans would win because they wanted to reduce the deficit.
This is the reason for the election.
This is the deficit. No, it‘s not.
This would not happen if it were a deficit. (
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Fox News host Chris Wallace: You want to expand all of Bush\'s tax cuts, which will add a deficit of $4 trillion.
You said to balance the budget by cutting spending.
Question: As a bottom line business woman, where are you going to find $4 trillion?
Carly Fiorina®California Senate candidate: Well, let\'s start with the fact that, as you pointed out in your last interview, spending has grown dramatically over the past two years, out of control.
WALLACE: But forgive me. Fiorina.
Where are you going?
Where are you going to cut rights?
What benefits are you going to cut?
What qualifications are you going to change?
Fiorina: Chris, with all due respect, you\'re asking a typical political question. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Yesterday, California Republican Senate candidate Carly Fiorina spoke at Fox Sunday News. Mr.
Wallace went on to ask her seven times how much she would cut to offset the $4 trillion loss in revenue caused by all Bush tax cuts.
He asked her seven times angrily and he resigned.
If Republicans are really prepared to get seats in this election because they are very credible in addressing the deficit, and then, two weeks before the election, the main Republican candidate will not propose on television to increase the deficit by $4 trillion without corresponding cuts, there is no way to balance and no explanation.
This is not true now.
This is not just the collapse of Carly Fiorina.
This is the whole season.
A few months ago, you will remember that after Marco Rubio, the Republican Senate candidate in Florida, started raising money strangely under my name, we exchanged false campaign ads with him.
We ended up putting it down to just asking.
Rubio, over and over again, even signs of use suggest that his economic plan is to add $3.
The deficit of 5 trillion is $3. 5 trillion.
How do you suggest $3?
The 5 trillion deficit, calling itself a fiscal conservative?
At this point, sir.
Rubio, stop playing with us and start ignoring the question we asked.
If what is going to happen in these elections is all outreach personnel who have this credibility on the deficit issue, then what happens between us and Marco Rubio will not happen.
What happened to Carly Fiorina yesterday on \"Fox Sunday News\" won\'t happen.
We keep hearing from the Republican candidates, and we keep hearing from the media about this year\'s Republican election, we are constantly hearing concerns about the deficit that explain why Republicans are going to get seats in this election.
This is the deficit.
That\'s why this election is. No, it‘s not.
Not this election, not these Republicans.
But when we don\'t hear that it\'s a deficit, they have another example.
They have another explanation for what is going on.
Maybe it\'s not a deficit, they told us.
It could be the big government.
The big government explains what will happen in these elections.
Republicans are preparing to get seats in these elections because they represent a rejection of the big government.
That\'s what we heard from the media.
\"With the development of the views of the big government, so go out of the door.
\"It\'s convenient that we hear more than that in the media.
That\'s what we heard from people who are trying to elect Republicans this year. (
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Unidentified male: One morning, when I woke up, it was there and there was a big government on my back.
This is a huge problem.
Affected everyone.
Congress supports big health care, big rescue and big debt.
Let Washington leave us alone.
Stop the big government on election day. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Again, these two things fit well, right?
There are these conservatives, as the Family Research Council, who say they want us out of the big government.
Then the media said Republicans would win because they wanted our big government to step down.
That\'s the reason for the election, okay?
The government is big. No, it‘s not.
This would not happen if it were a big government. (
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Narrator: Sharron Angle voted against background checks on recognisable predators.
Rape victims should be forced to have children, she said.
Ken Buck®Senate candidate for Colorado: I supportlife.
Let me answer the next question.
I do not believe in exceptions to rape or incest.
Yes, even rape, Ken Barker, is too extreme for Colorado.
In New York, Carl Paladino, victims of rape or incest will be denied the right to choose.
He will make them victims for the second time. (End Video Clip)
MADDOW: this year, we have a group of Republican candidates running for office who want to have such a large federal government that can decide every pregnancy in the country.
It was decided by fiat.
We have the most extreme list of big governments that make abortion candidates who run for office this year a criminal offence.
So, while we keep hearing reports from Republican candidates and the media about their elections, the level of focus on the big government explains why Republicans want to get seats in those elections, that\'s the reason for the election, right?
Big government? It‘s not.
Not this election.
Not these Republicans.
But when we don\'t hear that it\'s a big government, what we hear is probably-
This is stimulus. Oh, yes. The stimulus.
Yes, the stimulus plan explains what will happen in these elections.
Republicans are prepared to get seats because they oppose the stimulus.
The stimulus plan is such a bad policy and everyone knows that their stimulus plan will not work.
This is the media report.
This is the line for Republicans, and it is showing its reality again today.
However, another report revealed another group of Republicans who were happy to oppose the stimulus plan, but later their actions proved that when they asked for stimulus money to increase employment, they don\'t believe that Republicans in their own region like Pete in Texas. (
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Pitt meeting®Texas: Democrats kill jobs and drown out our country by forcing their tax and spending policies through Congress. No to budget-
Stimulus Bill. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MoDo: Pete seesens said these words in public while demanding stimulus money and writing to the Transportation Department saying the stimulus money would \"create jobs and stimulate the economy\"
It\'s not just Pete Sessions.
This is all the other-
List the so-called conservatives
It was John McCain, Ron Paul, Mitch McConnell, and even Michelle mann.
Although they have publicly stated that the stimulus plan has not created any jobs, they are all asking for the stimulus dollar to fund jobs in their region.
So we are constantly hearing from Republican candidates and the media that their level of opposition to the stimulus program explains why Republicans want to get seats in these elections.
That\'s the reason for the election, right?
This is stimulus. No, it‘s not.
Not this election.
Not these Republicans.
When we didn\'t hear it was a deficit, or a big government, or a stimulus package, they might have tried Obamacare.
Yes, maybe Obamacare.
Republicans are prepared to win seats against Obamacare.
Obamacare is a typical example of excessive expansion of the Liberal government.
Republicans will win the election this year because they oppose it.
This is the line of the media and the line of the Republican Party.
The fact is that on the day the trial began, Virginia\'s conservative attorney general was showing ships suing the federal government for stopping health care reform, the conservative Virginia governor has just ended credit for all the new money Virginia has received from health care reform.
So even though we keep hearing reports from Republican candidates and the media about their election, Obamacare explains how Republicans are going to get seats in those elections, so, how do you end all that a Conservative candidate has done on national health reform?
They keep saying it\'s Obamacare.
That\'s why this election is. No, it‘s not.
Not this election, not these Republicans.
When we don\'t hear about deficits, big governments, stimulus programs, or Obamacare, they \'ve also tried ideas that could be economic populism.
The Republican Party represents economic populism.
Yes, Republicans are prepared to get seats because they represent the message of populism.
It all started with Rick Santelli on CNBC.
It\'s all about fighting Wall Street\'s bailout, and it comes down to personal responsibility and the fat cats who oppose Wall Street.
That\'s what the media and Republicans are saying, right?
The reality is that Republicans nominate former derivatives trader Pat Toomey and others as candidates for the Pennsylvania Senate.
This is a challenge for Wall Street cats.
They nominated the former Democratic Party. C.
Lobbyists are running for senator in Indiana.
Although we keep hearing from Republican candidates and the media that these people are spinning elections for them, economic populism explains how much Republicans want to get seats in these elections, that\'s why this election is.
This is populism. Really not.
Not this election, not these Republicans.
When it\'s not a deficit, a big government, a stimulus plan, Obamacare, or populism --
They \'ve tried the idea that maybe it\'s about being a political outsider.
Yes, Republicans are ready to get seats because they have nominated all these outsiders.
Candidate candidates, all these political novices who are tired of seeing the same name and the same face bring fresh air, will usher in the election season.
This is the line of the media, the line of the Republican Party.
The reality is that these Republican political novices
I think it\'s someone like Sharon ante, an elected legislative member of Nevada for a seven-year term;
Ken Barker, who is the elected district attorney in Colorado;
Senate perennial candidate Christine O\'Donnell
This is the third time she has run for a senator in five years.
Joe Miller now refuses to answer questions about his abuse of government computers in previous government work in an attempt to become president of the state\'s Republican Party.
This is not the neighbor of your office.
This is not a friend you have never been interested in these questions before.
These are not political novices.
No outsiders.
There are some perennial candidates, sometimes quirky, who are good at talking to the media, who are intimidated by Conservative bullying and who are imagined to be credible candidates.
So while we keep hearing from the Republican candidates and the media how many nominees outsiders explain why Republicans are getting seats in these elections, that\'s why those elections are. It‘s outsiders. It‘s not.
The media and Republicans are pushing the narrative that they are all populist, and they are just government amateurs --
These narratives are wrong.
Bob McDonald, who was Virginia\'s conservative hero governor before his election, wrote that he wanted to use the power of the government to punish criminals.
Christine O\'Donnell has started her career in professional politics, and she is touring the country to promote the idea that homosexuality can be cured, that condoms can lead to AIDS, and that having sex with herself is adultery.
Mike Lee, the Republican Senate candidate in Utah, is standing on a platform where people are not allowed to vote for senators because he wants to repeal the 17 amendment.
Republican Senator John Reser of West Virginia says he wants to return to the 19th-century labor law.
Yes, in West Virginia.
He is now calling Zhu steven, the energy minister of our country, calling him a doctor. Chow Mein.
Ron Johnson, who ran for a senator in Wisconsin against Las Figard, has a theory that global warming is in the world, but he thinks it\'s caused by sunspots.
Rich Iott, who ran for the house in Ohio, was exposed by The Atlantic Monthly for wearing Nazi uniforms as a hobby.
His campaign defended the choice on the grounds that hey, the SS was really not as bad as the Nazi Nazis.
They are only SS.
The Republican response is that House Minority Party leader John Boehner has decided to keep the guy for $5,000 he donated.
Boehner\'s PAC gave it to him.
Carl Palladino, recently after our kids, envied porn lovers
He is also known for sending emails after the video, sending videos after the video, playing hardcore porn after the video, and providing his own approved subtitles to his friends and supporters.
Sharron, who is running for senator in Nevada, accepted the conspiracy of the John Birch Association on the evil of fluoride in the water.
Even more worrying, they have repeatedly threatened that if the Conservatives do not get what they want in the next election, they should pick up the weapons and use the remedy of the Second Amendment.
After Joe Miller took part in the primary election in Alaska, people appeared with assault rifles during a march in Alaska.
He has his own private security details handcuffs and leave this weekend
Arrest a journalist who tried to ask him questions in a public forum.
What happens in right-wing politics is not ideological.
There is no compelling argument about what challenges these people face and what will happen in these elections.
This is not a deficit problem.
The government is small.
This is not an economic stimulus.
This is not Obamacare.
This is not populist.
Not all of these people are outsiders.
None of this.
These things prove not to be the case.
No matter how many times you hear from the ring road Media, the facts don\'t support them.
This is not what is happening.
But the media dressed these guys up as having some coherent narrative, like there are some compelling arguments here, and it\'s convenient to cover up what\'s really going on here, and that\'s, we are at the edge of the cliff that lifts the federal office, the most extreme of our lives, and in some cases the most bizarre conservative candidate.
Yes, this happened to a smaller extent before.
In 1994, in the first midterm election after the election of the last Democratic president, we got a list of candidates including Helen shenowos of Idaho, Steve Stockman of Texas
These two men are so close to the militia movement in this country.
In fact, Stockman was informed in advance that there would be an explosion in the city of Russia.
There are some extremist candidates who, from time to time, have survived the turmoil in electoral politics and have actually made it mainstream.
There are always a few.
But never so much.
None of this makes any sense.
We\'re going to select a group of extremists.
Unless things change in the next two weeks. Two weeks out.
How does the Democratic Party oppose this? That‘s next. (
Business break)
MoDo: we are very excited to have Megan McCain join us at the scene tonight.
But when she tweeted earlier today, we were worried, citing \"sick like a dog, trying to get as many vitamins as possible in my system before going to Mado tonight.
Like nature. ph)alert. Uh-oh!
But after a while, she tweeted it.
\"Don\'t worry, I won\'t cancel Maddow tonight.
My voice sounds like Catherine Turner and I need more makeupup. ”More make-
No problem.
We bought it in bulk.
The voice of Catherine Turner, throughout the interview, I will also be united in this way.
Megan McCain is here in a minute. (
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MADDOW: the common wisdom about this year\'s election is that Democrats can only win without a democratic record.
Only by doing everything they can to convince voters that they are not even real Democrats can they win.
They can only win by highlighting what Republicans think should be emphasized.
This is another good example of the common wisdom of the Ring Road, exactly what the Republicans want.
But not all Democrats agree this year.
Some people, ignoring their foolish common wisdom and carrying out radical campaigns, not only promote their campaigns, but also attack Republicans --
Their Republican opponent, Democrats, believes that conservative extremism is politically indefensible.
We showed you an ad a few weeks ago, which is still one of the best examples of Democrats politically attacking opponents.
This is an advertisement for Debbie Halson n, A Illinois congressman, in response to Republican congressman Adam kinsingh\'s position on Social Security. Check it out. (
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Adam Kinzinger supports plans to raise the retirement age.
Unidentified male: How old do you have to retire?
Unidentified Woman: No.
Unidentified woman: don\'t even think about it.
Woman: Adam?
Woman: Adam?
Woman: Adam?
Unidentified male: You just don\'t understand.
Woman: You dare not.
Unidentified woman: Don\'t touch my Social Security, Adam.
Unidentified Woman: You came down from the tree.
Unidentified male: Adam, you are a young man and you have a lot to learn. (END VIDEO CLIP)
You came down from the tree.
Debbie Halson, the woman behind the advertisement, was the first
Beat Republicans to win seats in Illinois\'s 11 th district.
Last month, when we first saw this ad, we pointed out that basically all Democratic candidates can run this version anywhere in the country.
Advertising not only nailed Republicans to the party\'s position that they really didn\'t want to connect.
It also defended the cornerstone values of the Democratic Party.
A few weeks later, we saw more Democrats join us as Congressman Hal Watson, challenging common wisdom.
In the case of Lars Feigel, a Democrat who is competing for a career with Ron Johnson, he is trying to keep his Senate seat in Wisconsin.
This is a punch that Russ Feingold has won for Social Security. (
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Candidate for Senator Wisconsin: Sir.
As far as social security is concerned, everything is on the table, even for some people, so is privatization, Johnson said.
This is my position. (END VIDEO CLIP)MADDOW: Subtle.
Privatize Social Security, and no matter how many globes, tea pots or hot-air popcorn Senator Feingold has to sacrifice, he can take it from the table to illustrate that.
Another economic issue that Democrats have been bashing about is outsourcing, especially how Republicans who claim to be creating jobs are personally responsible for shipping American jobs overseas.
Once again, we bring Senator Las Figard. (
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Unfair trade practices in China have destroyed our factories.
Unidentified women: While Las Feingold is leading the fight against these abuses and bad trade deals, Ron Johnson supports the deal we have reached with China.
He called it creative destruction.
As CEO of HP, Carly Fiorina fired 30,000 employees.
Fiorina: When you talk about the massive layoffs we do, maybe the work needs to be done elsewhere.
Fiorina shipped her job to China.
When California was out of work, Fiorina tripled her salary and bought millions of dollars.
Dollar yacht and five business jets.
FIORINA: I\'m proud of what I did at HP. (End Video Clip)
Barbara bokuser, Las figerd, Debbie Halson Watson, Democrats have violated common wisdom on economic issues --
Democrats run the economy on their own agenda, oppose the Republican economic agenda, and this year\'s common wisdom is that Democrats should not do so.
You should pretend you\'re a Republican.
But in the year when the Republican Party won a huge victory, it will first lead the country to the far-right extreme list of conservative candidates we elect, and of course, in my lifetime, maybe in a few.
Frankly, the biggest step Democrats have to take across the country is to determine who and where Republicans are this year. (
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Narrator: Sharron Angle will eliminate Social Security and medical insurance, and she will also privatize V. A.
Unidentified male: She\'s wild. She‘s wild.
Man: OK.
So there is no insurance policy.
Narrator: not if Sharron Angle had her way.
It\'s extremely dangerous.
She would make abortion a crime.
No wonder Fiorina has the support of Sarah Palin. Carly Fiorina—
Tai Chi for California.
Narrator: extreme beauty, extreme sports-
Extreme weather in Colorado
But what about Ken Buck\'s extreme idea?
Maybe Ken Buck was right.
Buck: I\'m an extremist?
I\'m an extremist?
Ken Barker, he shouldn\'t speak for Colorado. (End Video Clip)
Chris Hayes is joining us now.
He is the Washington editor of National magazine and a contributor to MSNBC.
Nice to meet you, Chris.
Thank you for joining us.
Chris Hayes, MSNBC contributor: Thanks Rachel.
I\'m sitting on a tree around the city Avenue.
Very good.
Well, give us some unusual wisdom, sir. Hayes.
I feel like from my seat in the free media ivory tower near New York City, I feel like everything coming out of the ring road is telling Democrats that they need to keep a low profile and run on local issues, hopefully people won\'t notice what party you\'re in, just make sure you\'re not in anything that might indicate what party you\'re in.
That\'s what I think Democrats are getting.
Do you think I read it right?
I think you\'re right. I mean—
I think the problem is, you can\'t-
People understand what Crouch\'s defense looks like.
If you communicate to voters that you are embarrassed about what you are doing, what your record is, what your thoughts are, and if you do so often --
I mean, I saw the ad for Joe Sestak about him voting for TARP.
Obviously, this is a problem for him, right?
Lucky enough-
Pat Tumi, his opponent in the Pennsylvania Senate campaign
Good luck without that vote. The entire 30-
The second advertisement is completely defensive.
It\'s all said, basically, I\'m verifying the attack of my opponent.
I think you\'re right.
You have to keep on attacking for the last two weeks, especially since you are right.
Look, the record of these people, Buck and Angel, Miller and these people, is really a very, very extreme way, far beyond the scope of the American political center.
MADDOW: To my surprise, extremism and extremism are --
You know, extremism in the eyes of onlookers.
The only number of things you can say, not value judgments, but an objective feeling that when people face extremism, you can identify extremism and they are upset about it, and try to get back to their position.
This continues to happen in the privatization of V. A.
Privatization of Social Security, Second Amendment remedy
All the other things they put forward.
Ken Barker scoffed at the personality amendment that defined fertilized eggs as having basic voting rights in Colorado.
Whenever they twist or change their position on these issues, does that mean continuing to hit them and you hit a weakness?
Yes, absolutely.
I think, you see, I think you will see more.
I mean, there is a basic understanding of this dynamic.
You saw it in the corner game with Harry Reid.
But he does make social security a major issue.
In fact, when she told him in the debate, quoting \"men up\", she was responding to an attack on privatization of Social Security.
She knew it was her weakness.
So, you will see more.
What I\'m going to say, though, is that this conversation has not happened in the last two years on the legislative agenda of the Democratic Congress, which is a bit odd.
I mean, the most effective thing is these horrible clichés, these Democratic roots plants, these are real and good.
I mean, we shouldn\'t privatize Social Security.
We should have better trade policies.
All of this is a good thing to attack, but it is also completely out of the legislative record of the Democratic Congress, which I think is a bit odd.
MADDOW: When you see people coming up with this idea, only a handful of members of Congress do it, and only a handful of current members do it --
But somehow they advertised in the debate, or followed a series of attacks, especially in the debate to defend medical rulings, medical legislation.
They\'re defending health care reform.
In some cases, they defended the idea of Wall Street reform, saying that their opponents wanted to undo those things.
We saw some of them floating, but it was not a national route. Why is that?
Hayes: I really don\'t know.
I mean, let\'s take Wall Street reform as an example, because this is-
The legislative agenda for the entire Democratic Party is the best.
So far, it is the most popular poll.
It was when it passed. It is now—
Its advantages are good.
After the biggest financial disaster in the past 80 years, everyone hates banks.
You can beat the bank, I\'m your opponent, and to be honest, I don\'t understand why every Democrat is not united around this legislation --
Forcing their opponents to either defend the status quo or defend the bank.
The only thing I can think of is that they are worried that if they open the position then they have to defend the TARP vote.
The TARP vote hangs like a albatross around the neck of almost all current Democrats.
Remember, many of them are in Congress when they vote.
You have more incumbents standing on the Democratic side to defend.
The only possible reason I can come up with is why this is not a bigger theme and any call to banks and Wall Street will make people remember the bailout plan, everyone, many Democrats have records that they have to deal.
But even if they\'re scared on a tarp, you can-
I mean, from a partisan point of view, Democrats don\'t have to be more afraid of this than Republicans. HAYES: Exactly.
McCain suspended his campaign and returned to Washington to make sure TARP would pass.
Sarah Palin was recorded as supporting TARP.
John Boehner cried on the floor of the house and asked people to pass the TARP.
Democrats believe that, as their albatross, it\'s a pretty big albatross that hangs around the neck of both parties. HAYES: Exactly.
The other thing is, you see, you have a vote.
You can\'t go back and cancel the vote.
What you can do is talk about the votes that you have not taken on the issue of opposing banks, and Republicans have almost completely stopped voting against them.
I understand-
I think the White House has done a very good job of trying to solve this problem.
For some reason, it is not popular in local competitions.
To be honest, IUNINTELLIGIBLE).
I mean, another argument is that while these Democrats are trying to win these games, they are also trying to raise a lot of money from the financial sector.
So they have such a cross.
There\'s a stressful problem, and it\'s a huge problem for the Democrats, you know, in general, they feel like they can\'t solve it very well, because at the same time, you know, they called Goldman Sachs for dollars.
MADDOW: they have two weeks to figure out that their bread is buttered.
Yes, that\'s right.
Chris Hayes, Washington editor of the country.
Chris, it\'s always great to have you. Thanks.
Thanks, Rachel.
So tonight, in the interview, I spoke to the woman who just mentioned yesterday that Christine O\'Donnell is a nut job, and her father is blocking any repeal \"don\'t ask, don\'t say \"the right to try
\"Megan McCain has a cold, but we hope he hasn\'t moved from degir to neigil yet, he\'s here and next. (
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Columnist and writer Megan McCain: Well, I\'m speaking as 26. year-old woman.
My question is, in any case, Christine O\'Donnell is laughing at running for office.
She has no real history, no real success in any industry.
It makes my generation one day, no matter how inexperienced you are, you can wake up and run for a senator.
There are many reasons why this scares me.
All I know is that she is considered a boring job among a group of my friends, which makes people very disgusted. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MoDo: this is Megan McCain\'s speech on Sunday.
Since then, Christine O\'Donnell\'s campaign team has responded by saying, \"Christine won the primary with the power-in-power candidate with an overwhelming margin, so
McCain\'s extensive political and campaign experience may not affect many dravareans listening to her recent rant at any age.
To make matters worse, the conservative blog responded today.
As the \"media issues\" edited today, most of the criticism by conservative bloggers is not focused at all on the points stated by Megan McCain, but rather more personal and trivial.
Now joining us is Megan McCain, a columnist for her campaign memoir, The Daily Beast, and author of Dirty, Sexy Politics.
Megan, thank you very much for coming back. M.
McCain: Well, thank you for letting me play.
MADDOW: First of all, let me get your response to these conservative bloggers who attacked you today.
I have a little bit of an understanding of your response because I saw what I thought was very sharp from what you posted on Twitter. What did you -
If so, what do you want to say to those people? M.
McCain: You know, I love my job, I love my life, and I hope that will happen.
There was always a scandal two years ago.
When a woman says anything in any public forum, I\'m done.
Everything went back to what they looked like and my weight.
I just don\'t know where it is.
These people don\'t know, it makes me no longer worry.
But I worry about young women.
I have a lot of followers of young women. teenagers.
I am concerned about the little girls who are reading my column and reading these things, and what impact these things have on them.
It means, \"Don\'t say it out loud, because, God bless, my weight is criticized again.
And it\'s too old.
This is the oldest thing ever. It‘s so old.
I think so-
Like, wow, back to junior high school.
The reason is
It\'s not surprising when politics returns to junior high school.
But surprisingly, I feel that in the right wing, especially in terms of Sarah Palin\'s candidacy and her continued strength within the party, so, most of the rightwing\'s defense of her has been to protect her from what she calls sexual discrimination on the left.
Then, whenever you say anything that is critical of conservatives, do this kind of brutal, like a purely discriminatory attack on you. I just -
I find it difficult to understand.
I find it hard to find any consistency there. M.
McCain: I think the irony is that you can\'t say a sex discrimination review about Sarah Palin and Christine O\'Donnell.
But I, if there is a free game every day.
I don\'t think that\'s right. wing bloggers.
I think it\'s a man.
I really think there are a lot of men on the internet who have a lot of time.
They sat there talking about my body and it was really pathetic.
But I wouldn\'t have done it if I couldn\'t handle it.
It has been happening since junior high school, so I don\'t care anymore.
MADDOW: are you going to get a defense that surprises you and makes you happy when people stand up for you? Have you (UNINTELLIGIBLE). M. MCCAIN: Yes.
I mean, I mean, I know a lot of people keep saying that they like me coming to this show. Right-wing people -
Of course you went to her show.
But I thank you for letting me talk. It‘s nice.
MADDOW: Well, I\'m sorry, this has to be-
I\'m sorry that this has to be a positive thing, not a baseline.
Let me ask you about Christine O\'Donnell\'s comments. M.
McCain: Again, I didn\'t say when I woke up in the morning, \"I\'m going to start a big fight with Christine O\'Donnell today.
I just did a lot of research before I was on a very prestigious Sunday news show.
The more research I do, the more scared I am.
Why did she scare you? M.
McCain: because she has littleto-
There is no qualification to become a principal, let alone a senator.
I mean, it\'s a moral issue.
Strangely, she thinks she has secret information about China that is about to take over the United States.
In any other case, it\'s a joke in any other election.
People like Carl ROV initially opposed her.
But all of a sudden, everyone canceled their support for her.
The difference between me and others is that I am talking about what all the people in the background are saying.
I have the courage to show up on TV and I sit there and accept the heat and everything that comes up because I don\'t lie.
That\'s how I feel about this woman.
MADDOW: why can\'t everyone else do it?
Because they lose money?
Will they lose their jobs?
I mean, over time, even before I was born, I have always admired the conservative movement, and there are people trying to sometimes defend the sport\'s Honour.
Some adults say, \"You know what?
If we are identified as conservatives, I am not satisfied with what you have said.
\"There are some internal --
Not policing, but at least the criteria in the campaign about what is important
Who will become a spokesman for the party and who should be exiled. M. MCCAIN: Yes.
I don\'t think this will happen again. M.
McCain: I mean, you have to take a purity test --that was (UNINTELLIGIBLE)by the RNC.
I don\'t know anymore.
I know I feel comfortable with what kind of person I am and what I am talking about politically.
There are a lot of people-
Whether these people like it or not, I am really interested in young people. MADDOW: Yes.
McCain: that doesn\'t mean anything.
You know, it means nothing to them.
But I will not stop talking just because a group of people will bully me.
MADDOW: Let me ask you the last question about Obama, which is-
After her last debate with Chris corns, there was news that she was ready for the governor\'s debate.
Palin was in the vice presidential debate of your father\'s campaign. M.
McCain: I don\'t know. MADDOW: Yes.
That makes me wonder if there is-
If there is continuity, if you see any continuity between governments.
Palin has a political advantage and a list of candidates for this year. Is there -
As your father\'s vice president running mate, is there a link between what happened to her and what is happening now? M.
McCain: I think there are other women in Republican politics, like Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina, who don\'t follow that pattern.
But I think what you see is a very real, weird copy cat.
I wrote them in the last column.
The media are just fascinated by them.
And I understand why.
I mean, it takes a lot of time and the echo room starts working. Why?
I don\'t know, but time will tell you.
I really want to see what happens in two weeks. MADDOW: Yes. Me, too.
I know you have a cold.
Would you mind staying in Part 2 for a while?
No, I\'m fine.
MADDOW: I know you\'re very keen on gay rights and that\'s one of the things we \'ve talked about in the past.
Your dad went back to the news about \"don\'t ask, don\'t tell.
\"I hope you have some response to that.
So if you canthat‘s great.
Megan McCain, author of Dirty, Sexy Politics, is the guest of the interview tonight.
We will have more of her in a moment.
Please stay with us. (
Business break)
MADDOW: Tonight, \"Don\'t ask, don\'t say\" the policy is still under the ban.
Currently, after a federal judge said she would reject the government\'s request to reinstate the policy at the time of appeal, the policy was not implemented in the military. U. S.
District Judge Virginia Phillips suspended the execution of \"Don\'t ask, don\'t say\" last Tuesday.
Today, she said she was inclined to leave the place.
She is currently weighing the dispute between the two sides.
It is expected that she will make a firm ruling later tonight, perhaps tomorrow morning.
The Justice Department said that if Judge Phillips did not approve, it would ask the next court of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to approve the suspension.
If this request is rejected by the court of appeal, then the government may go to the Supreme Court and then they may be put on hold.
No matter what happens in the court, no matter what order, the court can\'t seem to stop \"don\'t ask, don\'t say\" for a long time \".
White House made it clear again this weekend that the government\'s plan to end the policy is to end it by the Senate.
While the government may be planning the Senate to end it, what happens when you ask the senator this question. (
Start Video Editing)SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R-AZ)
: I will expand the scope of the work of the four commanders we are advocating now to date, that is to say, we are not asking about the abolition, don\'t say \"the impact of a comprehensive and thorough investigation.
\"The results of the survey will guide me to a large extent.
I respect the Sec.
Gates, but I don\'t agree with him, not because it should be abolished.
But we need to figure out what the effect of repeal is.
They passed the Senate directly because they knew the Senate would be different in next January.
Man: If you try
If it\'s really in the middle of a lame duck
In terms of legislation, I don\'t know if this is possible.
Would you block it if it did appear at the lame duck meeting on November and assuming you were re-elected? J.
McCain: of course.
Before we thoroughly and thoroughly examine the impact on morale and combat effectiveness, I will block or prevent it from being raised. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: joining us again is a Republican who disagrees with her father on this particular issue, Megan McCain, Dirty, Sexy Politics
\"Megan, thank you again for your support to us. M.
Yes, thank you.
MADDOW: The White House has been saying that they expect the Senate to repeal \"don\'t ask, don\'t say\" after the election \".
I can\'t imagine it.
Do you think this will happen? M. MCCAIN: No. I don‘t either.
I think the government should do something about it.
It was embarrassing to hear my father say that because I didn\'t agree with him.
In my family, my mom and I are opposed to doing so. My father -
My brothers in the Army(UNINTELLIGIBLE)
Don\'t ask, don\'t tell.
Against Abolishing it? M.
McCain: No, yes.
I think, you know, it\'s a complicated case.
There are many such families all over the country.
I went to Columbia University.
I lived in New York for five years. And I just -
My feelings about this issue are different from my father, and it is difficult for me to sit down and look at this issue because I still think it is a civil rights issue.
I think if someone can fight for my country and die for my country, I really don\'t care what they do in private time.
MADDOW: You are very open to your differences with your dad in this regard.
But your own strength
Feel for it
You have written about your frustration that the Obama administration has not taken more steps to get rid of policy.
You said people should hold politicians accountable.
What do you think that means?
Does this mean voting against people who disagree with your civil rights view?
Does this mean a demonstration?
Does this mean petitioning people?
What do you think?
I mean, you\'re the senator\'s daughter.
I mean, from this vantage point of view, what seems to work for you on this issue? M.
McCain: I\'m frustrated that I think I\'m a gay rights advocate to some extent.
The gay community does not seem to want direct Republicans to speak for them in any way. I‘ve had push-
Come back from other places
In a way, I can communicate with Central America and Republicans, but I don\'t think liberals in New York City will necessarily communicate.
This does not mean that it is right or wrong.
I just want to say that we should communicate in different ways.
When you say politicians, I have made a lot of promises to the gay community.
I remember, on the night of the election, I thought that at least now the country could pass through same-sex marriage, and this man was elected president.
So I think we should take more responsibility for him.
Seems to have-
Let him get away with it, and he continues to make those promises.
I don\'t know.
I don\'t think there is much anger at him.
I mean, I heard a lot from gay rights advocates and they were very upset about it.
But I meanM.
McCain: There\'s a whole
There have been more drama between gay Republicans, because they are two separate groups that fight each other.
So this is not a simple question.
You went there-
You and Mark McKinnon and the rest of the people I spoke to were very vocal on this issue.
Let me put something for you.
Republican Senator Ken Barker from Colorado
Ken Barker said at meet the media this weekend.
Let\'s take a look at this. (
Start Video Editing)
Do you think homosexuality is an option?
Ken Buck®Republican Senator candidate for Colorado: Yes.
Man: Based on what?
Buck: Based on what?
Man: Yes.
I think you can choose who your partner is.
Unidentified male: Don\'t you think this is something that was determined at birth?
Buck: I think birth has an impact on it like drinking alcohol and some other things, but basically, I think, you have a choice. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: you, all of this, Mark McKinnon and some gay Republicans have been there advocating for more Republicans to be more moderate on this issue.
In fact, this election cycle
It just looks like it\'s getting worse and not getting better at all. M.
McCain: very sad.
MADDOW: Are there any consequences for the Republicans? gay though?
When they are very counter-productive, is there anything bad going on politically? gay? M.
McCain: I don\'t know.
I think this is culturally bad.
You do see a lot from Republicans.
But even with Carl Paladino\'s statement, I\'m against same-sex marriage because \"don\'t ask, don\'t say,\" but I\'m also a creature that filters another area for me.
Our entire gay suicide (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
This is the case with teenagers.
I think when you see the media criticizing a woman\'s weight, I don\'t understand how it can have an impact on gay teenagers. MADDOW: Yes.
McCain: What you see now is the result.
I\'m just culturally worried about where we are in general.
You know, the man said he thought homosexuality was an option.
I think science proves that, and most people believe that you are born gay.
So I don\'t know.
Because it\'s hard enough. MADDOW: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
Like drinking. You know -M.
McCain: I don\'t know. It filters -
For me, it\'s like a step into homophobia.
MADDOW: Megan McCain, author of Dirty, Sexy Politics, has always been a real joy to have you on the show. M.
MCCAIN: Thank you.
I hope I can get the answer.
I hope there are more answers. MADDOW: OK.
Sometimes the answer asks more difficult questions, so I really understand. M.
MCCAIN: Thank you.
MADDOW: Lawrence o\'donner and Conservative agent Roger Stone talked about the \"last word \".
He has many stories to tell.
On the next show, the president welcomed the most intense champion team ever to the White House.
Pay tribute to geeks. That‘s next. (
Business break)
Today, in Reno, Nevada, Sarah Palin brings a message to people like us to start another Tea Party Express bus tour. (
Start Video Editing)FMR. GOV. SARAH PALIN (R-AK)
Our mainstream news media
You called them out.
You showed the real color of them.
The old way they do business, put a fork in it. It‘s done. (END VIDEO CLIP)
We have actually done it.
We still have a part.
This is about science, so I think you will hate it.
But the rest of us must see you in a moment. Not done. (
Business break)(
Start Video Editing)
US President Barack Obama: So we welcome champions to the White House to celebrate their victory.
I have eaten Raquel Hill.
I have Saints here, and there is a deep red tide.
I think we should do the same for the winners of the science fair and the robotics contest and the math contest --(APPLAUSE)
Because we usually don\'t give the attention that these victories deserve.
When you get the first place at the science exhibition, no one is on the market, and no one is dumping Gatorade on your head. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: President Obama proved today that geeks will not only inherit the earth, they have begun to collect the first part of the heritage, as they do today, and the White House has held the first ever science fair.
Oh, what\'s the difference in the presidential election.
Today, more than 80 students from the White House showed off their inventions and their scientific Projects-Solar energy --
Electric car, real water purifier.
These guys made an electric treatment chair for the kids in their school\'s special education department.
How do they raise important funds for what they can\'t get and have to buy?
Part of the reason is that they sell corn noodles made by their mother.
In another year, in some areas, science and people who are seen as smart are considered politically negative, and the White House has made (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
Show geek unity and highlight projects like this apparently ping-shooting robot
Table tennis is better than other table tennis robots. pong balls.
It was made by the girl \"whack and roll robots\" on the left, a group of Girl Scouts from Los AngelesA.
Congratulate them-
Tamale sells kids from Phoenix, inventor of Cal-\'s spaceship navigation system
For all of us who live in a country, if your students are good at science, you may go to the White House to meet with the president, because we are a country that values wisdom, just as we value being strong and fast.
It seems smart in itself.
Now, it\'s time to say the last word to Lawrence O\'Donnell.
Good evening, Lawrence.
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