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Good evening, Rachel.
Host: Good evening, ed.
Wonderful performance tonight
I love you and let her air tonight.
When I saw her in the video, I couldn't believe how cool she was under pressure. That was great.
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Thanks, man. All right.
Thank you for joining us at home for the next hour.
Are you ready to take the worst analogy you 've ever done on TV? All right.
This is the scene. Where are we?
We are on the street. Here, wait.
What am I doing?
I'm driving. What`s that?
The guy I just met on the crosswalk
Now, what is Herman Kane's argument in this case?
Look, officer, look, I know. -I know.
But, look at all these other people walking around safely and healthily in this street scene.
I drove past them and they were all fine. I mean, yes.
But, officer, the vast majority of people on the streets I drove past were not hit by my car.
This is Herman Kane's argument. (
Start Video Editing)HERMAN CAIN (R)
Presidential candidate: For everyone who makes false accusations, there may be thousands of people who say Herman Kane has no such activity. (END VIDEO CLIP)
So did Herman Kane.
Even the most serious crime, you know?
It's not a good defense to make a proportional argument, because you know, most of the people I 've met, most of the people I drive through the street, and I didn't kill them.
But even if you think it's impossible for Herman Kane to win the Republican party mix, it's impossible to get close to being president-elect, and the scandal around him is now itself a national phenomenon.
We are now in a big national struggle, not only about harassment, but also about accountability, about how we deal with serious allegations about powerful people, well-known people.
Kane's campaign and conservative campaign's response to the allegations surrounding his campaign has little to do with the substance of the allegations, answering whether Herman Kane actually harassed anyone.
The "talk Point Memo" has compiled a list of things called "not affecting whether Herman Kane sexually harassed two women aged 1990.
It's actually a huge two now.
Part of the comprehensive list.
And one more.
"More things don't affect whether Herman Kane sexually harassed several post-90 s women.
When asked about these allegations of sexual harassment, we heard a lot of things. (
Start Video Editing)
Sean hanniti, Sean hanniti show: the lady didn't even work for the company.
Kane: I 've also seen women trying to sexually harass men.
The machine that keeps merchants out of the White House will be ruthless.
There's a fact that a lot of people have-I did a good job, I'm cute, and there's a problem with that.
They should ask questions about President Obama and his relationship with Bill Ayers.
Herman Kane movement Mark Block: for one of the women, we are here to learn about the political work of her son.
Organization-hanniti: Did you confirm it?
I 've been listening all day, rumors about this.
You confirmed it now, right?
Block: we confirmed that-he did work at "Politico" and that was his mother, yes. (End Video Clip)
MADDOW: Actually, the last thing, it has nothing to do with whether Herman Kane actually sexually harassed women in their 1990 s.
The last one is completely untrue.
Journalists who have nothing to do with the plaintiff are also not working with "Politico. ” But nice try.
You know, it's worth mentioning that when something so called happens, the National Restaurant Association-I mean, I don't know what they think of Bill Ayers or "politician" or whatever, but the National Restaurant Association seemed to think at the time that these were not just crazy accusations against Herman Kane.
The important thing is, right?
At least at a time when the organization decided to pay tens of thousands of dollars to women who made these allegations, they had taken them seriously enough so that they would not accept them again.
Now, of course, the Kane movement insists that he has not done any of these things and that he has never acted improperly against anyone.
But not only anonymous charges.
Allegations of roll call
There is evidence that the settlement has been paid in order to resolve past allegations.
The reason this scandal is entering a whole new level today is not because the Kane movement says they have raised $9 million since October 1 and they are putting this down to the awesome fund
Increase the power to be charged with sexual harassment.
It's not just because the audience at the Republican debate in Michigan applauded Obama last night.
When allegations of sexual harassment were filed, Kane.
Now, this is important today because the problem is at the root of the whole scandal.
Who did Herman Kane sexually harass?
If Herman Kane did sexually harass women in the workplace in the past, think about what his campaign lawyer has just done.
His lawyer has just been interviewed by the Atlanta Daily.
He said in the Constitution, "for any other woman who may consider making charges against him.
Lawyers quoted Cain and sexual harassment as saying, "they should think twice before they do.
So if Herman Kane really did these things, if you were a woman and you were sexually harassed by Herman Kane, his campaign would say, shut up, think twice before you say it.
This is a moment of accountability.
No one is held accountable without so much.
But because this is a very remarkable moment, what it means to be held accountable in the United States.
If you are sexually harassed by Herman Kane, think twice before you say anything.
The day after a woman publicly accused Trump, the threat did not appear to have been ignored.
Mr. Kane of sexual harassment
Kane's campaign has set up a website dedicated to attacking her career and personal life.
Andrea perser, a New York Post columnist, teased her hair and make-up, saying her face was heavily painted, saying she needed a new eyeliner soon and called her a bleached blonde.
TV host Bill Kurtis said something to the same woman on the talk radio. (
Start audio clips)
Moderator: you have heard from some people who may be working with this woman or know this woman, and they are not surprised that she will make such allegations, no surprise. she's an exaggeration.
That's what you said?
TV host Bill Kurtis: Let's put Herman and Sharon in the car at the same time, and the characters may even be upside down considering the records. HOST: Ooh. Who would know? (END AUDIO CLIP)MADDOW: Ooh.
You know what I heard.
This is what happened to the first public woman.
Another woman accused of sexual harassment by Herman Kane, who was exposed to the plaintiff this week, posted the news on a Herman Kane
Herman Kane Parker says she works for Obama.
It is worth mentioning that she holds
Political work of the Ministry of Finance
She's still in George W.
The Bush administration.
According to the parents
Herman Kane Parker, they also want to know that she is not unappealing, calling her ugly in the title here.
This post has been deleted since then.
Although she did not choose to disclose her story, once she was revealed, the second plaintiff named Herman Kane said that she was willing to hold a press conference with the other plaintiffs to discuss the issue, hope to be safe in the number of attacks.
But now it seems that the press conference is unknown.
Her lawyer stated that she would not agree unless all other Herman Kane plaintiffs signed the op to join her.
At that time, we had to welcome a talk show host named rush Limburg. (
Start audio clips)
Radio talk show host Ms. Rush Limbaugh
Kraushaar told friends that they are starting to worry that all reviews may prevent other women from making public appearances with her.
I did ask yesterday-what's the big deal with the group here?
Do they want to synchronize menstruation?
Why come together? (END AUDIO CLIP)
You know, maybe Herman Kane could be nominated for the Republican presidential nomination.
But he won't. -he won't.
I don't believe he will.
In fact, I still believe that his campaign is mostly ironic and a wonderful and disturbing performing arts project.
But now there are two ways to do this.
His campaign is now finishing two things for the country.
I mean, if the end of this exercise is not to make Herman Kane the President of the United States, there are two things to do now, these two types of work are now going on in the minds of the United States and in the politics of the United States.
One is to simulate how we deal with sexual harassment as Americans, and who the alleged perpetrators are, and whether that affects whether you are allowed to report to him, who is the alleged perpetrator will affect whether or not you are allowed to say it.
Another more immediate thing that happens here is that the Republican and conservative movement, especially the conservative media, is pitching themselves to female voters in the United States. (
Start Video Editing)
Limburg: do they want to synchronize menstruation?
Why come together?
Hanniti: The lady didn't even work for the company.
Kane: On the day these allegations have stirred up, we have the highest funds --
The online fundraising day has not stopped in the history of the campaign.
Comedian Jimmy Kimmel: Do you think other candidates will follow suit and hire women to accuse them of sexual harassment?
They will if they are smart. (End Video Clip)
MADDOW: now joining us is Dahlia Lithwick, legal editor of Slate magazine.
Dahlia, it's so nice of you to play.
Thank you for coming.
Lili LITHWICK, Slate legal summary: Hey, Rachel.
MADDOW: you 've recently written about this, and Republicans are in a way just denying the existence of sexual harassment.
Do we even go above and beyond now, is it claimed to be an asset, and is it actually a kind of pride to be accused of sexual harassment to some extent?
Yes.
I mean, first of all, from what you set up there, you don't feel like the whole country is 1/2-year-old boys?
It's a surprise-you know, we were having a conversation in 2011 and we think we gave up decades ago.
I think the most striking thing is that if you think about the structure of sexual harassment laws in this country, in the past, it was impossible for a woman to come forward and say, I am a subordinate, I was harassed by powerful and important people.
It will ruin her life.
Surprisingly, we have established an entire legal system that encourages her to come forward and protect her from what she is not called a prostitute and a gold digger, however, despite such a legal structure, she is still a prostitute and Gold Hunter.
So, it's really surprising to acknowledge that we have problems and to establish a legal system to protect women.
Now, men are still victims when women stand up.
They have more victims than ever before.
Women have suffered from the total ugliness, insults, gender discrimination and stereotypes that happened 50 years ago, even before we talked about it.
We have a system to protect women, which is really a surprise.
You know, the reason why I want to host this show tonight, I feel like this is the most important thing in politics today, because I'm really shocked-I'm shocked by the very few in politics.
After reading the "think twice" review by lawyer Herman Kane, I was really shocked.
I thought about it, and I want to talk to you about the reason for this, and maybe it's normal in sexual harassment litigation and sexual harassment legal politics, because there is now an act of publicly intimidating the plaintiff, if you say someone has harassed you, you should be intimidated and even publicly informed that you will be dragged into the mud for doing so. Is that true? Is that normal?
Or did we think we had grown up in our 50 s?
No, this is crazy.
Your shocked response is the right one.
Under this system that we have, there is no lawyer who can properly say not to make a claim.
You know you're actually being harassed.
Think twice forward?
As I said before, the whole system is set up and harassment is pumped out.
Rachel, this is based on the idea that there is a huge imbalance in power, and that the troublemakers are not people who need system services.
So, for a lawyer who knows this, I will use my legal wisdom and the existing system to intimidate women from reporting, and the chilling effect is terrible.
So I think you're right.
When you have a system it's worse than having no system at all and you don't encourage it to be used.
Let me ask you a fake.
The assumption about this
I don't think the Herman Kane campaign will put any risk on his nomination-make him the Republican nominee or make him the president.
But I do think what is happening now around sexual harassment is a very big problem for this country, because it is essentially a demonstration project on how to deal with it.
So if you are the campaign manager for Herman Kane, or you are Herman Kane, the allegations have been made and you legally believe that you have not done anything wrong, these settlements are only for them to leave, they are dealt with as a matter of law and no one is guilty, all these allegations are false-the Kane movement insists it is false-and if so, what do you feel about the more responsible way forward on the political stage?
Given that this fact is being played on the national stage and will really affect how the country feels about it.
LITHWICK: I mean, I guess I can only respond by saying that what I'm not going to do is challenge the plaintiff.
You know, I wouldn't call them tramp and pole dancers.
I don't think they are gold hunters who like to go to court.
What you're trying to do, I think, is to say, look, it's settled on the facts.
When they are actually restricted by the settlement agreement, you will not call them anonymous plaintiffs and they will not stand up.
In other words, I think every feature in this campaign is to create a box, and if a woman reports, she is a gold picker.
If she does not report, she is also a gold miner.
She is a liar if she stands up.
She's also a liar if she doesn't stand up.
So, I think, the key is-let's solve this problem based on merit, let's not start by assuming that every single woman is desperate and eager to speed up --
Call the plaintiff's lawyer to humiliate the candidate.
Let's start by assuming we have two competing stories, and we need to address this.
But the fact that, as part of the hypothetical narrative, the plaintiff's narrative, she is a woman and a liar, wants to get rich quickly and reach a book deal has tarnished her.
MADDOW: Dahlia Lithwick, legal editor for Slate magazine-thanks to Dahlia for writing this so clearly recently.
It's a very-it's a very easy topic to get off track and you're pretty clear already.
Thank you for talking to us tonight.
I appreciate it.
Thanks, Rachel.
MADDOW: Okay.
Funny things happen when everyone else is watching Herman Kane and Rick Perry say something amazing.
Did something practical in Washington.
These things are good enough and I'm a little scared to talk about it because I might mess it up.
Mr. Chris Hayes, host of the wonderful new weekend show "UP" at MSNBC
Chris Hayes will join us next. (
Business break)
Tomorrow is the Veterans Day. this Is Veterans Week.
On this Veterans Day, Veterans Week, reserve a special idea for Republican Senator Jim DeMent in South Carolina.
Not because he's a veteran.
I don't think he is.
It's because Jim Dement obviously has a tough problem.
On Capitol Hill today, the recruitment bill for veterans of our country was voted.
Our national unemployment rate is now about 9%.
For veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, it is now 12 years old.
1%, because veterans in Iraq and Afghanistan are a very capable group of Americans, it is tragic and surprising.
Over the past decade, they have done very difficult, complex, tiring, tireless, and unvalued work.
I'm not romantic about this.
What I'm talking about is the actual situation.
This is an impressive, professional American class with a lot to offer.
They did do more before 9: 00. m.
More than most of us do all day.
They have been doing it for ten years and they are still doing it.
For our country, veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan are a great asset.
If you are recruiting employees in your company, you should look for them to recruit.
Still, they are having trouble in the job market, partly because when the people they compete for work have been working here, veterans have been working and experienced, but they have been doing it in Central Asia, inland.
So they are a very impressive team.
They did not perform well in the job market.
We know why.
By the way, we do owe them as a country.
So today, the smallest bill in the world is submitted to the Senate, the employment hero Oath Act of 2011, a tax credit for businesses to hire new veterans.
Congress is discussing various tax credits to hire employees.
This is for veterans.
It will not even increase the deficit.
They transferred funds from other veterans programs to cover the cost.
This is the least controversial thing in Washington.
This is good for the economy.
Frankly, this is good for our souls.
This is actually helpful for those who need practical help, because it's a job program that also helps all of us.
The vote for this today is 94-1.
The bill passed 94-1.
It's Senator Jim Dement.
Why is Senator Jim Deming against this?
Is this the concept of rights of gold bars or whatever cockamie Jim DeMint/Tea Party fetish country?
No, not in this case.
This is not the case.
The reason Jim Dement voted against it was that veterans were not worth it. (
Start Video Editing)SEN. JIM DEMINT (R)
South Carolina: I can't support this tax credit because I don't think the government should give one American priority over the other when it's working. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Yes, those greedy veterans want this special treatment.
Greedy veterans want to give everything to them.
Yes, senator Dement, Happy Veterans Day.
I will pay tribute to you, but the way I want you is not allowed on TV.
It almost made me want to sit in my hand.
The Veterans Act, in addition to the amazing surprise of Jim Dement, is an example of what was done secretly in WashingtonC. right now.
This is another example.
Yesterday, the FCC announced that the largest cable company in the United States will begin to provide high
Internet service to low speed
Income families who cut prices by $9. 95 a month.
Any family with children eligible for the free school lunch program is eligible for broadband Internet services that they may not be able to afford.
This is a real concrete step.
It connects the poorest Americans with the economic backbone of our country in the 21 st century.
So, only this week: check the Veterans Employment Act.
Except Jim Deming.
Low Broadband Internet
Family income-check.
There's another one here.
Let people start building roads and bridges again. Maybe? Yes.
Another secret thing that took a big step towards completing the mission this week is long --
A long-term infrastructure bill to fund national highway projects.
Yesterday, the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works passed the highway bill by a unanimous vote of 18 votes. 0.
Every Democrat and every Republican voted for the infrastructure bill.
I feel like I consolidate it even by reporting.
Listen in the hearing room.
Look, this is a quick clip.
Hear what they sound like after the committee voted yesterday.
That's what happened later until they turned off the microphone. (
Start Video Editing)SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D)
BOXER: the revised bill is reported to the US Senate in a favorable manner.
Thank you all.
We adjourn. BOXER: Oh, my.
Okay, we did. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Okay, we did it. Oh, my.
I think what we just heard from Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer before Mike was eliminated was "Oh my God, we did.
"Oh my God, is this really happening?
Now joining us is Chris Hayes, the host of MSNBC's excellent new weekend show "with Chris Hayes.
"Chris, it's good to see you.
Host Chris Hayes: Nice to meet you, Rachel.
MADDOW: do I have soft bias with low expectations?
Hayes: you need to come in and it's raining in the parade.
No, I think the Senate-I think we see a backward Senate function in those two bills that you mentioned. MADDOW: Yes.
Hayes: McConnell issued a good press release.
As you said, this is a non-controversial.
This is almost routine.
This is something that the Senate and the House should be able to come together and do.
We have been in such a terrible state of disorder since 2010
They have not been able to do this.
So, I do think there is a positive side to this-sorry-and the withdrawal of the bill from the Senate.
Another part of the story, the highway bill, does the House have its own version of the highway bill, which is not very consistent with the Senate version of the highway bill and costs less, the house is indeed where the gap is now stopped.
In the Senate, you can get something in the Democratic majority, in the rest of that collegial situation.
I think this is a real obstacle to concern right now.
MADDOW: that is to say, when we just received the infrastructure bill proposed by Senator Amy kolobchar, she brought it up with Joe Manchin, who is probably one of the most conservative Democrats, definitely one of the most conservative Democrats in the Senate last week, Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman voted against it, and Republicans succeeded in blocking the vote.
But now we can see more roads and bridges moving forward in another way.
So why are we going to make progress on the highway bill, and we can't make progress on the bill that is attached to President Obama's employment bill?
Hayes: Well, I think the fact that is implicit in your question is, obviously, it's kind of like the groundhog daily, right?
Because Republicans come in every day and want to stop what the president is doing every day.
In fact, the Veterans Act must be so
It could pass 94-controversial1.
Is that the threshold?
Do you know what I mean? MADDOW: Yes.
Hayes: things can go through 94-
1. you name the post office and you give tax cuts to veterans or they will be blocked.
These are the two options.
There is nothing in the middle.
In the current political environment, nothing can pass by five or six votes --
Two votes.
Voting advantage in the Senate, because minority caucus habitually uses obstruction and political commitment to politically destroy the president in the campaign --
Before the election, it means pursuing everything under the president's name.
MADDOW: even in this environment, do you have a desire for Senator DeMint to have the Veterans Day?
Hayes: Senator Dement's wish for the Veterans Day.
What I want to say to Senator Dement is that he has shown true loyalty to his cockamie principles.
MADDOW: what principles?
If he comes to a crazy Tenth Amendment like the gold standard, like we shouldn't legally elect senators, okay.
But isn't it worth it like a veteran? Really, Jim? Really?
But this is the case.
Look, the argument that this part of the Republican caucus is making is that everything is distorted.
So when you see that everything the government does is distorted, just like some sort of pure and natural state of the market, then, it is easy to see tax credits for hiring veterans as distorted, as unnatural, and not unnatural, with a veterans unemployment rate of up to 12%. MADDOW: Yes.
Hayes: that's exactly what I think we see broadly from the perspective of the Republican and most conscious members through the mirror, the crisis we're in now, the crisis of unemployment, the crisis of unemployment, loss of collateral redemption and personal bankruptcy is a natural state, and the intervention to change and repair these crises is unnatural.
MADDOW: unnatural, unnatural, and should not even be assessed on its merits, because-HAYES: Yes, because it is offensive in ideology.
Well, I would say, Jim, if someone meets Jim Deming during the Veterans Day parade, please say hello to him on my behalf. (LAUGHTER)
MADDOW: Chris Hayes, the host of "Stay With Chris Hayes", you really did a great job.
I know you will, but you did a good job.
The show was great.
Hayes: it means a lot to me.
Thank you, Chris. thank you.
There are spine strokes ahead.
Rick Perry's amazing brain freezes.
What is important.
That annoying 30-
Foot crack at the Ohio nuclear reactor
That's all in front. (
Business break)(
Start Video Editing)GOV. RICK PERRY (R-TX)
Presidential candidate: When I got there, three government agencies were gone: business, education and-what is the third-let's take a look. (LAUGHTER)REP. RAND PAUL (R-TX)
Presidential candidate: You need five.
Oh, five. OK.
Paul: five. PERRY: OK.
So business, education and Mitt Romney (R)
Presidential candidate: EPA? PERRY: EPA. There you go. No. (LAUGHTER)(APPLAUSE)
Host Maria bartirom: Let's go-host John Harwood: seriously?
Are you talking about EPA? PERRY: No, sir. No, sir.
We are talking about the need to rebuild the government agency, the EPA.
There is no doubt about this.
Harwood: But you can't-but you can't say the third one?
Perry: The third agency in the government. HARWOOD: Yes.
Perry: I want to take education, business and-let's see-I can't.
Third, I can't. Sorry. Oops. (END VIDEO CLIP)MADDOW: OK.
In the past 24 hours, the United States has reached two huge political agreements on energy.
First of all, after months of protests, the Obama administration is expected to approve a tar sand pipeline that runs through one of our country's largest sources of fresh water and has been delayed for at least a year.
The Obama administration says one reason for delaying the decision on the Keystone XL pipeline is that they are considering alternative routes.
Another major energy development in the last 24 hours is of course the good luck of the Department of Energy, and Rick Perry may has forgotten his plan to kill them.
This is coming. (
Business break)(
Start Video Editing)
Perry: By the time I got there, the three agencies of the government were gone: business, education and-what is the third-let's take a look. (LAUGHTER)
You need five.
Oh, five. OK.
Paul: five. PERRY: OK.
So business, education and government. JAN BREWER (R)
We have done everything we can.
We did the right thing for Arizona.
Perry: from his position on Roy's side of Wade, before he's on Roy's side of Wade, before he's on social programs?
He is fighting for the championship.
He supports Obamacare, and now he opposes it.
Deputy Secretary of Defense Douglas f rarely meets a stupid person in my life.
Perry: The coolest thing happened.
I'm rolling here and I met a real angel in the form of Christopher Duffley.
Then I met a real one.
Life hero of Catherine Adair
I mean, my life-it's great today, girl.
Female status is unknown: some people in our country do not have this.
I believe in our education, like South Africa and Iraq, as I think they should-our education in the United StatesS.
Should help America. S.
Or should help South Africa.
Can't you say the third one?
Perry: The third agency in the government. HARWOOD: Yes.
Perry: I want to take education, business and-let's see-I can't.
Third, I can't. Sorry. Oops. (End Video Clip)
MADDOW: a very public pantheon of long pauses, deliberate and unintentional, stunning political brain freezes and pregnancy pauses. A dumber man.
The pantheon of those things is packed with Rick Perry.
The Cup spilled.
Last night, what Governor Perry was trying to remember was that if he were the president, the third government agency he would abolish would be the Department of Energy.
The Department of Energy operates nearly 40 facilities nationwide.
It's hard, we had to triple our graphics department to name them on this map.
These sites include the Los Alamos National Laboratory. Ring a bell?
During World War II, Robert Oppenheimer and his companions became spoilers of the world there.
We built the world's first atomic bomb in Los Alamos.
Today, Los Alamos is one of two facilities that the United States is still working on designing nuclear weapons and countless other things.
The budget is $2 billion.
It covers an area of 36 square miles, where there are about 10,000 employees.
What Rick Perry couldn't remember last night was that he wanted to abolish it.
The same is true of Oakridge factory in Tennessee.
They were in awe there.
Inspiring professional work like studying substances in atoms, cores, and subatomsnuclear levels.
Don't worry if you don't know what it means, because scientists at Oakridge know what it means, and thank God for that.
Experimental nuclear physics is not for the weak heart, nor for the budget of some local towns.
But if Rick Perry is the president and he remembers to do so, then there is no.
We don't need it.
In Aiken, South Carolina, this is the Savannah National Laboratory of the Department of Energy, dedicated to improving the art of detecting weapons of mass destruction.
Please continue to do that.
They are also working to clean up contaminated groundwater and soil, develop hydrogen as an energy source and manage hazardous materials safely.
Savannah also partnered with the Wounded Warrior Care program to re-train injured veterinarians in the United States.
Governor Perry thinks he doesn't remember much, but he thinks he also wants to abolish all of this-it would be great even if he didn't forget and say "oops.
"But as long as it's the most magical tape of the day, we're talking about the forgotten Doe because Rick Perry has a funny brain freeze on it, and I 'd like to talk about that.
Because this week at the Department of Energy's Idaho National Laboratory in FALLS, Idaho, 16 people were apparently only accidentally exposed to plutonium.
Two of them had evidence in the organization of plutonium.
Four of them received venous flushing in an attempt to remove the radioactive material.
Others have confirmed that their skin is contaminated, which may indicate internal exposure.
Apparently, the accident happened when the staff handled the spent fuel in this lab.
If you can talk about nuclear weapons, because Rick Perry's brain froze while trying to remember that he wanted to abolish the Department of Energy, and when we talked about it, I also have a question about nuclear power, because on the coast of Lake Erie, Ohio, Davis-
The Besse Nuclear Power Plant has been shut down since October 1.
That's the inspector who accidentally found a 30-foot-
Long cracks in concrete walls around one of the reactors.
The inspector decided to do some more tests.
They took samples of concrete.
They found more cracks.
They found 15 line cracks in the 16 design components of the building.
In a letter this week, the relevant league of scientists said they were very concerned about Davis's structural problems.
Besse, this makes me want to ask all of these questions from a senior staff scientist at a relevant league of scientists.
So tonight with us for the interviewEd Lyman. Dr.
Lehmann, thank you very much for coming.
Ed Lehmann, Union of Concerned Scientists: Thank you for inviting me again.
MADDOW: the company that runs Davis-
Besse plant says cracks in the walls around these reactors are not dangerous because, in their words, these walls are only part of the building.
How do you react to this?
Lehmann: Well, the containment structure of the nuclear power plant is only really needed in the event of a serious accident.
If you remember, before Fukushima, we thought it was impossible for serious accidents to happen, so we really don't have to worry too much about them.
But if you have an event where the core is overheating, melting and can lead to a large amount of radioactive release, you do need that containment building to be as complete as possible structurally.
So, unless we have an accident, it doesn't matter the fact that it has a lot of cracks now.
MADDOW: in terms of how to find this, as far as I can see from the narrative we got, the media around this, and the information that the company has posted, we know all the cracks in all the other parts of this reactor facility because of this huge 30-foot-
They can't ignore the long ones.
No one is checking anyway.
They find these because they are almost accidental to find them.
Are you concerned about the system check and maintenance issues here?
This is a real problem.
With the aging of the national nuclear reactor, you really need to do more intensive maintenance and inspection, because you can't assume that you know everything that happens during these aging processes.
So, of course, the more checks you do, the more expensive it will be.
So, you know, there's an ongoing struggle between how many things you actually have to search for that you don't necessarily know.
So it is this struggle that is one of the main problems we are worried about with aging plants.
How do you find things that you really don't expect before things cause major problems?
MADDOW: Aging also seems to be one of the issues associated with the exposure case at plutonium, Idaho.
They describe a waste nuclear fuel container that could be corroded.
There are 16 people there who may be exposed to plutonium.
How terrible is this situation?
Can you put it in?
Some of our backgrounds?
Lehmann: from a bigger point of view, the Department of Energy oversees a complex facility, many of which are aging again.
They were facilities during the Cold War.
They have been used for decades to process radioactive materials and produce nuclear weapons.
Cleaning up these facilities and maintaining these heritage sites is one of the great burdens facing the Department of Energy.
This is a good reason why we cannot abolish Doe because there is no other agency willing or able to manage these sites and deal with radioactive contamination.
As this incident shows, even the Department of Energy does not always know what it is doing.
So this is a complicated question.
We do have a wide range of radioactive materials, and aging facilities need to be managed in the most careful way possible to avoid polluting the environment, reaching out to the groups of workers, potential contamination and exposure of the public.
MADDOW: Ed Lyman, senior staff scientist from the union of relevant scientists, thank you for taking the time to help us understand this, sir.
I'm glad we can talk to you about it.
Lehmann: Thank you.
MADDOW: Okay.
Tonight at the end of the "last word" show, Lawrence O'Donnell's guest was a man named Tim Borenstein who broke the debate last night.
You know, it could be Lawrence O'Donnell if someone could convince Tim Borenstein to return to the field.
I look forward to this very much.
Here, there's the future, the spine faucet. (
Business break)
We have a problem in Moscow.
I don't want to panic, but now there is a Russian rocket hovering around the Earth, loaded with about 11 tons of toxic fuel, called nitrogen oxide and hydrogen.
This ship is called fireguard. Grunt.
Mars Moon's David, this thing is supposed to be flying, purr is the Russian name for the ground, soil or dirt, this is a detector on the top of a big stupid rocket, once it reaches the moon in March, it will pick it up and bring it back to the moon.
It doesn't look like the moon to Mars. Phobos-
Purr is now falling, slowly but unblocked back to Earth, just as the rocket's booster engine failed to ignite shortly after its launch on Tuesday.
The booster engine should send this thing out of the Earth's atmosphere, all the way to the Moon on Mars, and the engine will use all the ammonia.
They are going to burn it as fuel until Mars.
It is said to be a video taken in Brazil on Tuesday, just when the first engine should be ignited.
The small point is that the rocket is doing what it shouldn't do.
The reason the Brazilian people are looking for fireguard is
At that time, purring was the launch of a crowd source for Russia's space program.
They decided to save money and asked amateur sky watchers to help them instead of sending a scout ship to South America to monitor the rocket's progress.
The last time Russia tried deep space exploration, it did not succeed. (
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Announcer: this is NBC News with Linda West at sunrise.
Linda Wester, NBC News: Good morning, everyone.
The world of science and the Russian nation suffered setbacks.
The mission to explore Mars is over in the South Pacific.
Last night, debris from a probe landed on Earth, falling about 900 miles southeast of the island of Easter, and about 1,800 miles northwest of Santiago, Chile.
On Saturday, the ship took off from its base in Kazakhstan, carrying two devices designed to land on Mars.
But one of the rocket boosters did not fire properly.
The ground controllers lost contact and the Rockets were stuck in Earth orbit. (END VIDEO CLIP)
As you can see from the hairstyle, it was in 1996.
What is happening now is a bit surprisingly similar.
At least there is no plutonium on this ship, just like the last one they crashed.
This is just a ton of toxic rocket fuel.
You can be one of the free amateur space trackers for this thing, one of the jobs of Phobos
Purr if you want.
According to the live webcast, it is located somewhere in western Indonesia and is vaguely visible.
My eyes are hard to say.
Yes, in Western Australia.
While it's still on it, Russian rocket scientists do have time to figure out where the problem is and maybe fix it, but they may have a few days left when the battery is dead.
Mission controllers say they have tried several times to send commands to the rockets to launch these booster engines and to launch this thing to the Mars moon, but not so far, meaning, in these days, one day, a large amount of ammonia and nitrogen oxides may return to Earth in a rather uncontrolled way.
Today, I learned the phrase bozhe moi.
I think that's what you said.
Correct me, Bozhe moi.
But as far as I know this is Russian for OMG. (
Business break)
MADDOW: Today, November 10.
November 11 tomorrow.
This is 2011-Hello ancient Maya, we are on the way.
Tomorrow's date will be 11-11-
Perfect reply.
As backward as forward.
If you use the correct font, you can even turn it upside down.
Or 11-11-11.
So, it's also an inverted text.
The reason for this celebration.
For example, the Mexican club offers a sales offer of about $111.
Apparently, many people apparently plan to get married on the 11 th. 11-
Because of good luck and lovely, maybe these people like to reply as much as they love each other.
The New York Times reported today that New York City's light-hearted appreciation club plans to hold its biggest meeting tomorrow.
They have chosen the implementation of tomorrow --11-
11 is the date that most looks like corduroy, a parallel ridge.
They say the grandest meeting is sold out, but you can still buy something to celebrate, including a gift I want to buy for Senator David Vette (probably a prostitute.
You can also buy numbers 11-11-
The creativity of this velvet fabric has reached 11 models.
Yes, tomorrow is also Nigel tuvernell day of the guitar god in spine tapping. ” (
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Unidentified male: If you can see, the numbers turn into 11, you see, the whole number turns into 11-11-11.
Unidentified male: amps rise to 10.
Man: That's right.
Unidentified male: Does this mean a louder voice?
Is it louder?
Well, it's a loud voice, isn't it? It`s not 10. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: 11 is bigger than 10.
This November 11 is also the same as the annual November 11 Veterans Day, which is a festive holiday, unlike our anniversary a for those who gave their lives to the country.
The Veterans Day is a festival for everyone who serves in the American Army, during war, or during peace.
This day is the day when we make this sacrifice.
This is a day of celebration.
So, especially if you're not a veteran, it's time to think about what you're going to do tomorrow's Veterans Day.
There may be local Veterans Day parades in your town, even in many small towns. You should go.
You can also thank the people who serve the country. Call them up. Write a note.
Knock at the door.
Contact a Family with relatives overseas and offer to walk the dog or run errands.
For example, there is a way to donate old mobile phones so that soldiers can call home.
You can help make a small tree that sends them to Wisconsin every year.
You can send a letter saying thank you and you may be there for a day. Join the V. A.
Suspended at 11: 11 tomorrow. m.
Stop in your own head and remember the troops.
We have provided some links on our blog to tell you how to celebrate Veterans Day and how to keep in touch with American veterans of IAVA, Iraq and Afghanistan.
It's all on Maddowblog. com.
Tonight, now, tonight is the night to talk to some friends and family about what you're going to do for the 11-year-old11-11.
Happy Veterans Day tomorrow. Make plans.
That's what it is for us tonight.
We will see you tomorrow night.
Now, it's time to have "the last word" with Lawrence O'Donnell and his special guest tonight, Tim Borenstein.
I look forward to him very much.
Have a good evening.
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